Please excuse the spelling in this Jewish article below, Jews are not the people of the Bible so they can never clearly convey just what their laws truly are because everything they are is contrary to what is written in the Bible (the original one). Their words are deliberately misconstrued so there is wiggle room to back out or in depending on the level of biblical knowledge one has that is curious as to what they do believe. Obviously asking a Jew what he believes is asking for truth from a Jew and why it is NEVER ever discussed in a public debate or friendly discussion. If you closed your right eye and saw a white house and then you closed your left eye and saw a black house you would go get your eyes checked, but when you read the Bible and then listen to what Jews claim to believe (and look at them) you see a completely different thing. In this case it isn’t your eyes it is your inability to accept truth because Jews have succeeded not only of winning over your money system, your media, your schools, your churches, but your mind. Time to hook up with your own mind and not the Jew charade. Babel is babel and truth is not babel although Jews do a great job of simply twisting everything to thwart you away from the simplest truths to their absolute mountain of Jewish kaleidoscopic balderdash.
You have heard me many times claim that words are important and important to be kept in their correct sense. Sometimes it is unavoidable like the word Jew itself. The word Jew is also a kaleidoscope of words because we allowed it to happen. Now when people hear the truth they are too confused to recognize it.
The word “mamzer” is important to know because it works totally against the Jews in the Bible. Go ahead and read this article.
What Jewish Law About Abortion Says About Orthodox And Haredi Rabbis
“…Therefore, in an extremely pressing situation, such as when the fetus suffers from Tay-Sachs or other severe defects, or the fetus is known to be a mamzer, or continuing the pregnancy could cause blindness or deafness to the mother [or is a risk to her life] – one can rely on the lenient opinion of the poskim [and abort]…”
Above: Rabbi Elizer Melamed
Writing in the Hebrew-language weekly publication Besheva and translated into English by the right-wing Zionist Orthodox news website his family controls, Arutz Sheva, under the title “Judaism: Halakha on Abortion of Fetuses with Severe Abormalities,” Rabbi Eliezer Melamed discusses a wide range of halakhic opinions with regard to abortion.
And within that wideranging article is this [emphasis added]:
…In the responsa ‘Rav Pealim’, the Ben Ish Chai was asked about a case of an ubar mamzer (a fetus conceived from a forbidden relation) in its fifth month – can it be aborted? He did not want to reply with an unequivocal ruling, but rather summarized for the questioning rabbi that in the opinion of Chavot Yair, when there is no great need it is forbidden l’chatchila (from the outset). And in the opinion of Maharit (1, 97), abortion is prohibited because of chabalah [causing unnecessary physical harm to the human body], and is permitted when necessary. Apparently from his words, he was inclined to be lenient. And in the responsa ‘She’elat Yavetz’ (1, 43), Rabbi [Yaakov] Emden permitted the abortion of an ubar mamzer.…
And even though the issue is very severe and seemingly it would be appropriate to take into consideration the opinion of the stringent poskim, nevertheless, in this instance it is proper to be lenient, because being stringent in such issues can cause terrible suffering to the parents and those born, and sometimes the suffering leads to the break-up of the family. Therefore, in an extremely pressing situation, such as when the fetus suffers from Tay-Sachs or other severe defects, or the fetus is known to be a mamzer, or continuing the pregnancy could cause blindness or deafness to the mother [or is a risk to her life] – one can rely on the lenient opinion of the poskim, for their opinion is substantiated to greater degree. This was the inclination of my rabbis, Roshei Yeshivot (heads) of the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva.…
In other words, Melamed and many (actually, likely most) of the other rabbis he cites – be they haredi, Zionist Orthodox, or from the time period before those two Orthodoxies existed – agree that if a fetus is known to be a mamzer, the woman can abort him.
What is a mamzer?
It is not a child conceived through sexual relations with an unmarried woman or between an unmarried couple or by a married man and an unmarried woman who is not his wife.
Instead, a mamzer is a child conceived by a married woman with a man who is not her wife, or a child conceived through the types of incest prohibited by the Torah, or any child conceived by one of those mamzers (either with another mamzer, or with a Jew of untainted lineage, or, in the case of a female mamzer, with a male non-Jew, as well).
In perpetuity, a mamzer and his or her descendants are forbidden to marry an ordinary Jew, essentially because doing so would stain the lineage of the Jewish people.
But past the marriage restriction, mamzers were (at least on paper) treated like any other Jew when it came ot inheritance laws or even becoming king of Israel (if that occasion should ever arise).
Even so, many rabbis treat a fetus with the staus of mazer just like they treat a fetus with Tay Sachs disease, and allow it to be aborted.
You can see in this a great leniency, perhaps – especially if you are an Orthodox Jewish teen bearing a fetus conceived through your rape by your father, for example.
But you can also see a very sick and myopic view of the world that sees a child conceived by an long-term agunah (a ‘chained’ woman whose husband refuses to give her a Jewish divorce) and the man she wants to marry but can’t because the rabbis have so twisted halakha that her husband is given an almost free hand to torture and extort her, sometimes for decades, while he himself moves on with his live and even, sometimes, is allowed to remarry.
A growing number of Orthodox and haredi rabbis of all persuasions are becoming more, not less, strict on abortion, not because of anything science or medicine has to say about the issue, but because they are shifting ever rightward, and because ever increasingly, rabbis look to top rosh yeshivas (yeshiva deans), not rabbis who are day-to-day decisors of halakha in the real world, for their guidance.
Because of that, it seems to me that it is much more likely for a rabbi to forbid aborting a Tay Sachs fetus or a mamzer conceived trough incest rape now than it was, say, 15 years ago.
But past all that, I find it disturbing that rabbis would allow (and in some ways, encourage) the abortion of a potential human life just because religious law will stigmatize that fetus after s/he is born.
The implications of this are truly awful.
And what may even be worse is that Melamed’s article implies that fetuses with Down Syndrome would be treated this way, as well, even though people with Down Syndrome can be productive members of society:
Some twenty-five years ago my sister, who worked as a nurse at Shaare Zedek Hospital, told me that majority of Jewish babies who were born with Down’s syndrome and other far more severe defects came from religiously observant families. This was because the public is unaware that there are poskim who are lenient regarding having an abortion in cases of illness, and consequently, many women do not perform tests while pregnant. And even a woman who is tested and it turns out that her fetus suffers from severe defects, it is inconceivable to her that there might be room to ask a rabbi a halakhic question.…
Some people with Down Syndrome graduate high school and some even get post-secondary education.
Down Syndrome people live to be between 50- to 60-years old in the developed world (longer than the average ‘normal’ person lived 150 years ago.
Yet Melamed lumps them in with Tay-Sach’s babies whose lifespan is only about four years, and who suffer greatly through all of those years.
~ I could go into what a mamzer is, but anyone out there can easily figure it out. It is the result of race mixing. Jews are 100% and completely the result of race mixing and anyone of any intelligence could figure that out by reading the book. Where did Jews come from? Anyone with a Jewish mother is considered a Jew, but when I was growing up Jews were anyone with a Jewish parent. How did that ever change and why did neither of these ever pertain to the people of the Bible being a pure race to the House of Judah?
Think about it, If Shem, Japheth and Ham were of the same race and they all married people of their same race (of course we know some did not later on) how could that pure race ever be the Jews? Lastly, nowhere does it say that Israelites should kill their mamzer children, if that were true Jews nor anyone mixed would never have made it this far. It says race mixing is death in the Bible (death to the race). So Jews are on one side telling us we should have killed them and on the other tell us they should kill any child of ours that makes the mistake of mixing with them when their true goal is to breed us out of existence.
Judea was chock full of mamzers, in fact their King Herod and their high priest Caiaphas were mamzers. Their tribes are all listed because they kept track. I’m sure David Duke
thinks Jews are a pure race of people just like he claims kosher food is better. If you don’t know the lies of the Jews everything Jewish is better, but you better keep that phone cut off to me to prove you are a clown. He obviously likes zero free speech just as the Jews. If Jews don’t want us to be heard folks than there is a reason for it.
You have to be above all the Jewish crossfire lies to know what I am saying here, some of you I lost on the first few lines, others know exactly what I am saying, but the point is that Jews use your lack of knowledge against you and that you can avoid just by never listening to them or anyone who does listen to them for truth. This is exactly why you are supposed to remain separate to begin with. They use our words to wrap you up in lies and we should be using those words to separate ourselves from them completely. In case you didn’t know it Jews have been following us forever, we are not following Jews we have been getting away from them forever. Now we are running out of places and people we think are our own end up being wolves amongst the sheep. Time is short and there is no more free speech, not even on the internet radio networks anymore, it is totally Jew controlled.
Give me liberty or give me death or of course you can fight. Take it back or lose it. There isn’t one thing in America’s favor except the one thing that should have been done a long long time ago. if nobody else is saying it I don’t care, I am. Time to clean the tree and I mean the tree.