All About Lilith

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What Kind of Jewish Name is O’Donnell?

 

Published May 14, 2014.

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Should I take his Irish last name?

I’m a 30-year-old Jewish woman engaged to an Irish man with a very non-Jewish sounding last name. I have always wanted to take my husband’s last name, but his very goyishe sounding one is making me reconsider. As for our religious plans post-wedding, I am a barely observant Reform Jew and he is totally on-board on observing holidays in the same minimal way I do. So really, this isn’t a religious thing at all, but more a cultural one. —McSomebody

McGinity is a Jewish name now

KEREN R. MCGINITY: I understand your hesitation. Although plenty of Jews have “goyishe sounding” names due to intermarriage or because their ancestors wanted to improve their socioeconomic prospects, many people assume someone isn’t Jewish if his or her last name appears ethnically “other.” What do you want your name to say about you, your identity politics, and your new family? Do you envision children in your plans?

When I wear a nametag at a Jewish event and someone inevitably says to me, “McGinity? That’s not a Jewish name,” I tell them: “It is now.” My maiden name was Rockland, a bland American fabrication by my Jewish grandparents in 1946 to enable my uncle to get into medical school. I made a premarital deal with my former spouse: I would take his authentically ethnic last name and we would raise any children as Jews.

Know that how you feel about observance may evolve over time. According to my research and personal experience, people who intermarry often have a Jewish reawakening after they become parents. When I walked down the aisle more than two decades ago, I could not have predicted that a child of mine would attend a Jewish day school. My daughter was the only one with an Irish name on her preschool cubby; today, Shira is developing a strong Jewish identity. If you take your husband’s name and have a child, give that child a distinctively Jewish first name to counterbalance the Irish last.

Finally, you have more choices than bearing the burden of an Irish last name or simply keeping your maiden name. Perhaps you can agree on an alternative by hyphenating or devising a new name altogether.

Dr. Keren R. McGinity is an author-educator affiliated with Brandeis University. Her books include “Still Jewish: A History of Women and Intermarriage in America” and “Marrying Out: Jewish Men, Intermarriage, and Fatherhood.” Learn more at www.loveandtradition.com/.

Surnames are no longer the Jewish identifier they used to be

JANE LARKIN: It used to be easy to identify our Jewish classmates, neighbors, co-workers, and public figures by the sound and spelling of their family name, but now more than ever before, Jews come with traditionally non-Jewish last names, reflecting the diversity that is Jewish life in America today, and will be tomorrow. The last name of the president of my synagogue is McCartney, and as he

What a country?

What a country?

pointed out in his installation address, he is listed in the temple directory after McCain, McCallister, and McCann, and followed by McCoppin, McCraw, McCurry, and McIntosh to name just a few.

More than ever, names can give a false impression of lineage. Professional athletes such as David Eckstein, Trevor Rosenthal, and Ryan Zimmerman sound Jewish, but aren’t, while

, Brian de la Puente, Taylor Mays, and Antonio Garay are members of the tribe.

My Moms name was Schwartz.

My Moms name was Schwartz.

Surnames are no longer the Jewish cultural identifier that they used to be. When we were packing our apartment to move from Connecticut to Ohio, my husband overheard a conversation between our two movers. One of them noticed the mezuzah on our front door and asked the other, “Is Larkin Jewish?” His partner responded, “It can be. It depends if it’s spelled the Jewish way.”

As far as we know, there is no Jewish spelling of the Irish name Larkin. Larkin descendants were stalwarts of the

A brutha from the same mutha- Jorge Bautista (Jew)

A brutha from the same mutha- Jorge Bautista (Jew)

Christian church in certain areas of Ireland. But through our son, Larkin will join the increasingly diverse list of Jewish surnames in America.

My advice is to take your husband’s name–your new goyish sounding moniker will have plenty of company, especially in Reform Jewish circles–and highlight your Jewish heritage in another way. Today, a better indication of our Jewishness is the values we live by, the language we use, and the symbols we display.

~And by your fruits we will know you!

Jane Larkin writes about parenting for InterfaithFamily.com, a website that supports interfaith families exploring Jewish life. She is the author of the forthcoming book, “From Generation to Generation: A Story of Intermarriage and Jewish Continuity.” She lives with her family in Dallas, TX.

This isn’t a cultural issue, so much as an aesthetic one

LAUREL SNYDER: Here’s a question: what would you do if you’d fallen in love with a man named Joe Picklefarter? Or what if your firstname was going to rhyme with your new last name? (for instance Ruth Booth)? Would you change your name in those cases?

My instinct is to say that this isn’t a cultural issue, so much as an aesthetic one. In fact, plenty of “Jewish” names are actually just German names, or Polish names. My own name, Snyder, only feels Jewish because we’ve grown accustomed to thinking of it that way. There’s no real cultural significance to my name.

Maybe you need to ask yourself why you’ve always wanted to take your husband’s name.

Is it because you want the family to have a single name, for a sense of unity? If so, maybe he should take your name, or you guys should consider blending your names, as more and more couples are doing today. Pick something you both like!

Or is it because you feel like you’re a fairly traditional person, and the idea of keeping your own name is just uncomfortable for you? If this is the case, you may just have to bite the goyishe bullet.

Marriage is about compromise, and learning to reconcile your expectations with your reality is a requirement. Perhaps this is an important first step.

Laurel Snyder is the author of books like “Bigger than a Bread Box” and “Baxter, the Pig Who Wanted To Be Kosher.” Find her online at laurelsnyder.com or on Twitter @laurelsnyder.

~The question remains “What is a Jew name?”. More importantly however the question remains “What is a Jew”? If a Jew has nothing to do with genetically related parents it has nothing to do with being someone from Abraham or someone from Judah because anyone with a Jew somewhere in their past (or part Jew) can become a member of this psychotic family whether they are so called religious in any way. Jews can be Catholics, Jews can be Muslims, Jews can be French, Irish, English, German…………whatever the hell they want to be, but they are not a race, they are the epitome of a race, they are Satan’s seed whether they come from the Jewish mother or the Jew father. There is no pure Jew because Jews aren’t the people in the book and Jews aren’t the people of Judah, although they may have him as a father through Idi Amin and Phyllis Diller somewhere down the road. As soon as you mention something like this, that Jews are a hoax, David Duke and all the paid ADL informants will be equating Jews with the Bible never ever talking about what the Bible even says about Jews or where the word Jew comes from. You would think if someone used a word like “Zionist” or “Jew” every day on his radio show he would know how to define those words, but defining words has never been a characteristic of a Jew so their words mean whatever they want them to mean in the context at hand. These ADL front men want you to believe a Jew is a race one day and a religion the next just like Jews do and it never dawns on them that being a Jew is simply a wheelbarrow full of manure right from the start. So these shills take you deep into the Jew matrix of manure and leave you as deep into that forest as they can. Why else would someone have a radio show with no callers? The truth is these shills work for Jews or Satan himself if they sway you into believing Jews are Israelites and people of Adam through Judah, Zerah and Pharez and a pure lineage. Any fool can see this is the biggest lie since “Jesus was a Jew” came out. Jews are the synagogue of Satan (Rev 2;9, 3;9 and 12;9) that is if you really want to use the Bible for proof. Jews have been stealing names right from the very beginning.
Lilith isnt in the Bible, although in the Talmud, Lilith is related to Jewish scripture and the Israelites have zero to do with it.
In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th century Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam‘s first wife, who was created at the same time (Rosh Hashanah) and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam’s ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar, and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.
If you want to get to the truth, get a Jew on your show(s), open the phones wide open and let us see how Jews are this pure race of people that our shills claim them to be. They cant do it because they know their show will become just as much Jewish babel as Jews themselves. So off into the forest of manure you go. Better make some markers in your mind to find your way back. You arent supposed to be led into the forest of BS, but out of it.
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6 Responses to All About Lilith

  1. EDOMS THORN says:

    More JEWISH™ JIBBERISH! …”reflecting the diversity that is Jewish life in America today”… TRANSLATION… Blending-in to become undetectable! They are aware of the great awakening that has been taking place around the world.

    As your “friend” Gilad Atzmon pointed out recently…

    …”The Jewish ADL (Anti Defamation League) revealed this week that more than ‘one in four adults are ‘anti-Semitic.’

    Of Some 53,100 adults in 102 countries and territories around the world surveyed for the ADL Global 100: An Index of Anti-Semitism, 26% were found to be ‘deeply infected’ with ‘anti-Semitic attitudes”…

    This is found at http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/on-kosher-statistics
    It is a good posting….

    NEVER TRUST A JEW! They want you to believe they are the ones that are being “victimized” but we know that their “holy book” the Babylonian Talmud tells them that they are to victimize “WE” the Goyim! NEVER FOR GET THAT!

    Thanks Mel

  2. melgibstein says:

    As your “friend” Gilad Atzmon pointed out recently…

    …”The Jewish ADL (Anti Defamation League) revealed this week that more than ‘one in four adults are ‘anti-Semitic.’

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yes, Gilad is a Turko Mongolian Khazar Ashkenazi Edomite of the lineage of Shem and I’m Benny Goodman.

  3. melgibstein says:

    Mark Dumkuf, the Luthern Reverend without an actual church in San Antonio and who works out at Golds Gym sipping a diet coke will be on the scene now to thwart any true Biblical knowledge. They send out these demons when anyone starts to claim Jews are indeed exactly what Jesus called them (sons of satan). Satan and his angels were cast on to the earth, but never are they even spoken of (more spiritual gobbley goop). This is how the Jews keep the goyim (that means nations not cattle unless Rachel Rebekah had two cows in her womb), Dumkof (Dankopf just sails past that one) and tries to talk (preach) with authority rehashing the same old Judeo dog doo. Any time there is any truth spoken of coming from someone who has actually read the Bible and studied it these Judeo regurgitators are on the scene to drag the lemmings back into complete confusion like Pavlov dogs. Not one of them has ever had a true debate with a real Christian in their lives. Jews have the main stream media completely controlled for this reason and they have all the main internet radio networks flooded as well. They branch off in disputes because they cant do shows on some of the internet radio networks taking no calls so they have to resort to starting their own networks to be in the spotlight, in the news to be brought on to other radio shows with the phones closed off.
    Just think about David Duke, the coward has been BS ing for years with no phone calls. How is this guy any better than a hannity or a Wolf Blitzer? He is there (and others like him) to lead you into the pit- period.
    The truth is I would make mush out of them in 3 minutes.

    I really like Dukes Grey Wolf dog doo theories. Why dont we put a Grey Wolf in a pen with a pit bull and see what happens. Duke thinks they will mate like Jews and Blacks.

  4. Ray Zerwitt says:

    Exactly! Whenever there’s even a hint of waking people up to God, they’re on the phone to the sayanim to leaven it. Most, by far, of these people on the internet blogs have to be jews. I have to discipline myself to be aware of their chutzpah. Their blueprint for control of the public dialogue is spelled out in 1 Chronicles 2:55. Gotcher “Loud Speech”, gotcher monopolists, gotcher censors. These people you talk about employ that strategy of the Kenite Rechabite (riders). They’re controlled opposition there to put up a token fight and lose. We’re at a worldly disadvantage in this. We don’t need more lies. Their worldly solutions are moronic.

    Spooky thing, those tares and swarming locusts. The tare turns red when it bears it’s fruit and stands out like a sore thumb among the wheat. The locust metamorphoses from something like benign grasshopper. In both cases, they can’t disguise themselves and blend in anymore. These biped beasts have lost their ability to empathize and relate to human beings. The things they’re saying and doing are getting more ridiculous all the time. The jaws of even the average Joe Sixpacks are dropping. I have some at the stage where I can say “Your mistake is you don’t believe God” and show them John 8:44 for starters. They’ll know it’s true.

    I’ll have to find the stomach to listen to one of these David Duke broadcasts when I have the time and liberty to get really drunk. At this point, they’re destined to step all over their dicks. I’ll let them.

  5. melgibstein says:

    Youre on key, Ray.

    The Jew regurgitation is gettin old and thats good news. These bastards cant take phone calls and plaster their faces all over the internet. There has to be some kind of pay for that. David Duke is on 5 days a week from 10 to 11, off on the weekends, sells books, does jew media appearances, calls all his ADL pals who have their own no call internet shows. It is work for them (and a living). Problem is their BS is coming to an end. People will see who backs down to whom. One phone call to one of these shills and their entire jew house of cards comes down so they have their own round robin BS artists with one key interest, stay off the Bible subject with anyone who knows what the words mean in it. Its an art to lead the goyim right around to the back door of the idealogical slaughterhouse, but time is running out and FAST for them and the jews. It goes from Alex Jones to light Alex Jones right into the jew Nazi movements.

    None of these guys want to even call other shows because its all about them. Why isnt it all about getting at the truth? What we have is a bunch of shills who claim to have the truth over here and another one over there and one down the alley next to the desert stand. Its jew division straight from the synagogue in the heart of town.

  6. Truth says:

    Why is it that opening a bible is so hard for Christians. It’s actually the best place to hide something from a professed Christian because the answer right in front of their nose beginning with JOHN 8:31-42. They do the work of their father, Satan. He was a liar and murderer from the beginning. The talmud (THE MUD) is the antithesis of the Bible.
    The Evangelical Christian – Zionists are being deceived thanks to the likes of Hagge, Osteen and any pastor that cow-tows to the Jews & company. Are they going to call Jesus a liar? None of these imposters can prove that they are Israelites. Even the Lutherans are, for the most part, ignorant to the writings of their founder. Still this was all prophesised. Communism=Boshevism=Talmudism=Zionism=Death to Gentiles and primarily White Males+White Females.

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