Into the West

If someone told today’s Catholic’s that Christianity was in Ireland before Saint Patrick it wouldn’t mean anything to them, but it means to me that if it was there before the Catholic Church the message had already been sent. It is said that the patron saint or patriarch of Ireland before Patrick was Jeremiah. Patriarch and Patrick sound quite similar, yet quite diabolically deceiving. Now that is a pretty tough fact to chew on, but look at all the inconsistencies surrounding the story we are supposed to believe. We are supposed to believe a man named Patrick won over the hearts and minds all by himself around 400 years A.D. in 20 years time he supposedly converted all Irish to Catholicism (or did Catholicism adopt him?). In the book “The Story of the Irish Race” by Seamus MacManus pg. 103 you can read the alternative history and most likely closer to the true history of Christianity in Ireland. Dont miss page 8 either.
Were the Druids merely dispersed Israelites from pre Mosaic times and later post Mosaic times? Try to get a priest to answer that.
Here is a bit more on the church and Ireland with a bit about Easter which many Celts, Saxons, etc. may find quite interesting.

The tradition that Augustine converted England to the true faith in the 600s looks quite different when the facts of history are known. Bede, an Anglo-Saxon monk living in northeast England in the 700s, wrote what has been called the primary sourcebook for this period: The Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation. Bede was a highly respected scholar, but he has also been called a “medieval spin doctor” because he tended to gloss over subjects that did not fit the story he was telling. As a Saxon, he glorifies the Saxons and puts down the Britons. He was also an enthusiastic supporter of Roman Catholicism. He says nothing of the Apostles coming to Britain and Ireland, only briefly mentions other Christians preceding Augustine in early Britain, and instead focuses on Augustine as if he were the “bringer of the true faith” to the English nation.

However, when you read Bede’s account carefully, it becomes obvious that British bishops already functioning on the island would have nothing to do with Augustine or the religion that he represented. They would not accept the Roman Catholic observance of Easter, or method of baptism (infant baptism had become universal by that time), or the authority that Rome gave Augustine to be its Archbishop of England. Augustine told the British bishops: “You act in many particulars contrary to our custom, or rather the custom of the universal church” (Bede, Bk. 2, chap. 2). Bede comments about the “errors of the Britons” and says that the “Scots in no way differ from the Britons in their behavior” (ibid., chap. 4). Describing why the Scottish bishops, at a confrontation at Witby in 664ad, refused to adopt the Roman Easter, Bede reports that they followed an ancient practice—”the same which St. John the Evangelist, the disciple of our Lord, with all the churches over which he presided, is recorded to have observed” (ibid., chap. 25).

Bede’s account reveals that the Scottish bishops were actually observing the biblical Passover (at the beginning of Nisan 14, shortly after the sunset ending Nisan 13) and Days of Unleavened Bread (see Leviticus 23:4-8). The Scots’ appeal to scriptural practice and Apostolic tradition was countered with a reference to then-current customs of the Roman Church, and ridicule that “the Picts and the Britons, who foolishly, in these two remote islands of the world… oppose all the rest of the universe” (ibid., Bk. 2, chap. 25). Yet this same battle had raged several centuries earlier in Asia Minor where the followers of John (called Quartodecimians) were excommunicated by a bishop in Rome for observing the Passover on Nisan 14 instead of the Roman Easter. Following the confrontation at Whitby, the remnants of Apostolic Christianity retreated to Scotland, Wales and southwest England as the Saxons and eventually more Britons embraced Roman Catholicism. In Europe’s western isles, the teachings of Apostolic Christianity were pushed aside by a different gospel emanating from Rome.


Ladies and gentlemen, why would they be celebrating Passover? Can you please give me some explanation for this? Passover is for Israelites is it not? Lets see now, Easter, taken from a pagan day and Passover not observed any longer. It looks to me like someone or some thing is trying to keep people from understanding who they really are or more importantly to me, since I already know, who the sons of satan really are. If there is indeed the sons of God there is a lineage of Satan himself.

Is it any wonder why most Christians don’t even know their true history? They know what they believe to be Jew history in the Bible as they know WWII’s supposed Jew death count and not their own European brothers death count. It’s the exact same thing folks. Nothing is new under the sun and that includes the lies of the Jews. With these people on the earth there is no plausible reason for you to take anything for granted. Seek the truth like you were commanded. Seek and you will find, but beware someone is also seeking you to bring you elsewhere.

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2 Responses to Into the West

  1. Researchman says:

    The throne of David (an Israelite, not same as “jew” groups today!) was never to lack a man, and last forever – unconditional in first declarations! (2 Sam 7:8-17 & Psalm 89:1-4) [Leter it’s stipulated the king must obey God’s orders, or lose… but logically this just means that person will lose the throne, not that the line will end.)

    The “regular” theology (even as most “Jews” see it, ironically) says this throne ended with the brutal torment of Zedekiah and murder of his sons in prison. But is MUST continue if you beleive God’s promise! Jeremiah went with Baruch to Egypt (Jer 45). [There in Tahpanes was, in 1900s, an old Palace of the Daughter of the King of Judea {“Jews.} I’m not sure if it’s still open or what.] In Irish Chronicles, about this time an old Eastern man Ollam Folla, and assistant Bruch, show up in Ireland with a princess from far east, Tea Tephi or Tara(h), who married the headman Eochaid of Ireland and that royal line continues. Along with the woman came a coronation stone. This throne later moved to Scotland, then in 1296 to England – it’s the English Throne now! There is lots of other information, prophecy in the Bible on transporting the tender twig, etc.

    See “Judah’s Sceptre & Joseph’s Birthright” by J. H Allen (notably around p 249), but this earlier “British Israel” writer makes a mistake in assuming modern “Jews” are the same as ancient Isralites. In ealry 1900s Zionists pushed a common bond to get Brits to take old Israel land and make it a British territory (“Palestine”), then give it to them…. as they did after talks on the role of existing Palestinians was bombed, at King David Hotel! Once they got “Israel,” they soon tried to hide any link between actual Israelites and Brits! (Real Israelites had dispersed to all of Europe from their point of captivity in Media (now Iran.) Israelites got put among MEDES, (2 Kings 17 & 18] who dispersed west mostly – data is at Behistun Rock and in “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets” by Raymmond Capt, plus “Your Inheritance” by Robert Balacius, Sacred Truth Min. And “Post-Captivity Names of Israel” by Goard; etc. Actually they largely followed early Israelite sailing pioneers, tribe of Dan (right out to Danmark!)

    It seems plausible that the promised throne line joined dispersed crypto-Israelites in promised new safe lands (2 Sam 7:10-17 again!), first in Ireland, finally in England.
    And Jeremiah was the ancient prophet who accomplished this building up (afte talk on tearing down the old corrupt place). Some say he’s burried at Enniskillen, N Ireland.

    Much much later… Jesus Christ appeared and was crucified/resurrected in Israel. He identified many locals as NOT his people, who did NOT accept him (John 10: 22-31). After he ascended, his people (Christians!) were at severe odds with the main “Jew” population, and legend says they actually drove some of the key Christians close to Jesus away in a boat with no oars or sails… and it drifted to N Africa. They got some crucial supplies, and sailed to Marseilles, Gaul/France, to join Philip, then most walked overland to NW France, and sailed to SW England, and set up in Glastonbury!

    {Lazarus stayed in Marseilles. Mary is buried at Glastonbury, in left top part of “T,” old St.Mary’s Chapel, in old main building, that later became a Romanist monastery, then Anglican land – it still is, but long ago looted of everything not stone, and shut, now in ruins. Anglicans are so cozy with Rome now, they’d never dream of excavating for hidden things… like…. the tomb of Mary!)

    Why did they go there? Jesus had visited the area as a child, building a primative place, sailing with his relative Joseph of Arimathea a metal merchant, who lead the returning group, including Mary Madgalene, Lazarus, and even Mary the mother of Jesus. (Hotly disputed by Catholics who claim she went to Ephesos and was taken up!)

    This group was know as CULDEES (servants of God) of the British/Brythonic Church {not later Anglican church!} kept original Israelite calendar (Saturday) Sabbaths and annual holy days, notably Lord’s Passover {starting 14th day of 1st month of Hebrew calendar, which is lunar], not pagan Ishtar “Easter” Sunday etc. All that came from Rome as folks there absorbed paganisms, using a pagan Roman calendar, especially after Constantine made Christianity official. Pagan priest funding stopped! So, many became “pastors” for churching, but wanted to change as little as possible. This is by far the simplest explanation for how such dramatic adoption of pagan things occurred.

    The British Church was founded by core Christian core people: a true Christian church in England, about 37 AD! It grew, and sent a man to Ireland whose name [Maelgwyn, born 363 AD at Llantwit Major, Glamorganshire] comes down as a more familiar Irish name Patrick – the first one, a Culdee Christian.

    But much later, 597 AD, Roman Pope Gregory sent Augustine with missionaries to ROMANIZE, especially targeting newer arrivals, the Saxons (versus older Celts). Romanizer Patrick also went to Ireland, to push Rome’s ways. TWO PATRICKS!
    He even absorbed some legends pertaining to Jeremiah, another person “they” want us to forget about, and the fact most true Brits are “lost” Israelites from Aryan lands.

    Unfortunately the military power of Vatican began to dominate, and some Culdees were willing to compromise and shift things to “conform” with a growing mainstream, appealing because of its spectacles also, and the Culdee church began to fade and be absorbed… holding the last services in 936 AD at York St. Peter Cathedral. But some remnants of it lasted long (especially on NW islands), lingering as a need to rely only on Scripture, impacting the Wycliffe translations in the 1300s, before the Reformation got going in Germany with Luther.

    CELT, DRUID AND CULDEE by Isabel Hill Elder tells this complete story.

  2. GTRman says:

    i came across this the other day

    “The fact that the British and the Irish both live on islands gives them a misleading sense of security about their unique historical identities. But do we really know who we are, where we come from and what defines the nature of our genetic and cultural heritage? Who are and were the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish and the English? And did the English really crush a glorious Celtic heritage?

    Everyone has heard of Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings. And most of us are familiar with the idea that the English are descended from Anglo-Saxons, who invaded eastern England after the Romans left, while most of the people in the rest of the British Isles derive from indigenous Celtic ancestors with a sprinkling of Viking blood around the fringes.

    Yet there is no agreement among historians or archaeologists on the meaning of the words “Celtic” or “Anglo-Saxon.” What is more, new evidence from genetic analysis (see note below) indicates that the Anglo-Saxons and Celts, to the extent that they can be defined genetically, were both small immigrant minorities. Neither group had much more impact on the British Isles gene pool than the Vikings, the Normans or, indeed, immigrants of the past 50 years.

    The genetic evidence shows that three quarters of our ancestors came to this corner of Europe as hunter-gatherers, between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, after the melting of the ice caps but before the land broke away from the mainland and divided into islands. Our subsequent separation from Europe has preserved a genetic time capsule of southwestern Europe during the ice age, which we share most closely with the former ice-age refuge in the Basque country. The first settlers were unlikely to have spoken a Celtic language but possibly a tongue related to the unique Basque language.

    Another wave of immigration arrived during the Neolithic period, when farming developed about 6,500 years ago. But the English still derive most of their current gene pool from the same early Basque source as the Irish, Welsh and Scots. These figures are at odds with the modern perceptions of Celtic and Anglo-Saxon ethnicity based on more recent invasions. There were many later invasions, as well as less violent immigrations, and each left a genetic signal, but no individual event contributed much more than 5 per cent to our modern genetic mix.”

    not endorsing this guy , just throwing it in

    Michael Tsarion – The Irish Origins of Civilization – 1/6

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